09/24/2024
Update: 18 Months of Working on 10 Deals—What’s Next?
Last week, I caught up with a friend who’s a hard money lender in Tampa. He asked what I’d been working on lately. I told him:
4 fix and flips
2 room rentals with 50% equity
2 subject-to-second mortgages with 50% equity
2 private loans totaling $250K
He asked, "How’s it going?" The truth is, nothing has gone as planned, His next question: "Who’s getting paid?"
I listed it out:
Home Depot
Contractors
Airlines
Marriott Hotels (2.5 months of hotel stays)
Car rentals
Fast food (Bojangles- yum!)
Lenders
Investors
He smiled and said, “I hope you’ve learned from these deals.” I told him, “I’ve learned a lot more than I wanted to” Then he hit me with, “You’re working too hard for the money you’re making.” No one likes to hear this, but it was the truth.
That’s when he asked a question that changed my perspective:
“Why are you the investor in these deals instead of the lender?”
I told him it was because I wanted cash flow that would outlast me. He responded, “Most people get this wrong. They think the investor is making the money, but the lender is the one making money with no work...he said, "The banks have proved this for 200 years...they have the tallest building downtown and branch locations all over town"
Then he asked, “How many loans have you brokered in your career?”
I said, “Maybe 2,000 since 1998.” He shook his head
then said he’s closed about 600 loans as the lender in the last 8 years—and has made $30M. Stunned by this comment, I did the quick math and asked, “How are you making $50K per loan?”
He broke it down for me:
-15% interest
-5 points upfront (each point is 1% of the loan amount)
-2 extra points if the loan goes past 6 months—80% of loans do
-50% of the profit on each flip...he only funds deals he shares in the profit. (You also have to remember he made most of his money while COVID was forcing home values up...he said every deal they did jumped by 50K in value by the time it was finished and sold)
-He reinvests his profits and makes a profit on his profit
His model is simple:
He raised money and paid his investors 10% interest out of the 15% he charged and the split all other profits with his co-lenders. After three years, he had $3M of his own money. He then returned all the investor capital and grew his $3M to $30M over the next 5 years. (Hard to believe, he showed me his Quickbooks P&L and the 100 loans on his books...unreal.)
I returned from NC and FL last Tuesday, and all I could think about was that conversation. The blunt truth: I’m exhausted. The constant trips to NC, calls, and texts from contractors needing more money and supplies, and even battling a lawsuit—it’s been non-stop. Yes, there’s profit, but nothing like what my hard money lender friend is making. Honestly, I’m too embarrassed to share all the headaches I’ve dealt with just to fix these deals. The good news is my investors are in solid loans that will pay them well for years to come.
I came home with a new focus.
I'm going to update my ebook "Flip Your Capital" to a real book www.FlipYourCapital.com Start speaking at RIA's - (Real Estate Investment Associations) and find Co-Lenders I can share these profits.
I've turned down probably 100 loans in the last 100 months. Since last Tuesday I have 4 loans on my desk that I’m working on funding—as the lender this time...and yes the terms are 15%, 5 points for 6 months, 2 points for a 90-day extension, and 50% of the profits. (Obviously, that is not how I sell it to the borrower...I just say happy to fund your deal if you are open to splitting the profits)
If you’re interested in growing your capital by becoming a co-lender with me and splitting the profits on each deal you invest in, reach out
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